Regarding "Hacking" Threads

[BertoSan]

With the release of the PC version of this game, it has come to my attention that the topic of hacking needs to be visited.

We do not endorse, or allow hacking on these forums. There are glitches that you will find throughout the different versions of the "Souls" games that will enable easier game play or faster game play. These are mere exploitations of the game that people abuse for their cause.

Hacking is doing something other than this. It is getting into the files and coding of the game and changing the game to suit your needs.

We do not allow discussions of the latter. I'm well aware of the fact that "Many people have beaten this game many times over and they want to clear it faster for PvP" This is not an excuse. We still have a very large influx of users who have not beaten this game yet or who aren't playing it for the purpose of PvP. We will not allow any discussions that involve how to get around the game's coding.

Any discussion of hacking/recoding/gamebreaking/etc. will result in your receiving a warning and the thread being removed from display.

Thank you
BertoSan

[M3mnoch_1987]

Good stuff!!! keeping lordran clean

[Juli]

Do you get two warnings for whining about hackers?

[Kokurokoki]

What about topics discussing mods? I guess you can consider it a type of hacking. :0

[BertoSan]

Anything that adjust the coding of the game. So yes, "mod" discussions are forbidden as well.

[keropi]

so texture replacements and/or DSfix are forbidden topics? That's not quite right...
What is wrong is a player that hacked his save-file or uses a trainer to have infinite health/stamina/whatever , not discussions about high-res gameplay or cosmetic changes.... Those things do not prevent a user from having non-cheating PvP action.

[Aoineko13]

DSfix are forbidden topics? That's not quite right...

Seconded. I wouldn't consider this to be a hack. It's more of a bug fix.

[Juli]

Changing client-side textures or models gives players an unfair advantage, people should be perma'd on site for discussing or advocating it.

[BertoSan]

If it's a "bugfix" that still involves getting into the programming of the game to fix. It is still technically considered a hack. I don't care what word you want to use to reference it. It's still a hack and until further notice, discussion of this will not be allowed.

If it's a "bugfix" then it's something that will or will not be dealt with on the developer side. If you do something to your own personal game to help boost the parameters for your computer, that's all well and good. But if you show others how to adjust things within the games programming, that opens other possibilities of them figuring out how to do things.

Just because it doesn't "negatively" affect the way some users interact in the game, doesn't make it any less of a hack. So I'm standing by what I said. If Stooge wants to override me, he can. But he is the ONLY one that can. Until that point, you will be warned if I see it.

[mmghouse]

What people don't realize is that even innocuous changes may be unauthorized and grounds for a lawsuit. The forum does not want to incur liability helping people tweak their games, regardless of intent.

[keropi]

I highly doubt that FROM on bamco will go after the forum because on discussions about DSfix when in the same time Steam has it along with the 60fps patch on the game's page....
At any rate I respect your decision but at the same time find it on the extreme side when it comes to dsfix/textures.
Still there are better sites on the internet to discuss those technical issues when in the same time the forum here is better to discuss game mechanics etc, so it's a nice trade off...

[mmghouse]

Yeah, it's not really about whether it's likely. A flat no-hack discussions rule really is just a matter of sensible precaution for a site that isn't making money to cover such possibilities, as slim as they are, especially when the site is not intended for that stuff anyway. I'm not saying those are the reasons Stooge has, but they're the reasons I might have if this were my site. It's not worth the time to parse out which discussions are legally safe and which ones not, nor is it worth the headache if you are wrong.

[BertoSan]

I highly doubt that FROM on bamco will go after the forum because on discussions about DSfix

Bamco has worked DIRECTLY with the DSwiki, as well as myself, Stooge, and Ilkar with regards to the release of Dark Souls. So we have a pretty tight-nit connection with a lot of the Bamco staff. So it is very possible that they monitor these forums from time to time, even if not noticed.

Yeah, it's not really about whether it's likely. A flat no-hack discussions rule really is just a matter of sensible precaution for a site that isn't making money to cover such possibilities, as slim as they are, especially when the site is not intended for that stuff anyway.

This is a very good way of explaining it. Thanks mmg.

Anyway, thanks for respecting the rule. Even if you don't agree with it. It is, and will be, most appreciated.

[Juli]

Didn't you guys kill your relationship with Bamco when you told PTD to go fuck itself?

[AM180]

I highly doubt that FROM on bamco will go after the forum because on discussions about DSfix

Bamco has worked DIRECTLY with the DSwiki, as well as myself, Stooge, and Ilkar with regards to the release of Dark Souls. So we have a pretty tight-nit connection with a lot of the Bamco staff. So it is very possible that they monitor these forums from time to time, even if not noticed.

Maybe we could politely ask them not to sue us in the "Ask Namco" section.

[BertoSan]

Guys, this isn't a "let's discuss opinions on the matter" thread

This is a thread outlining a rule that is set in place. As stated before, the only one who can overturn this decision would be Stooge. If you have a question pertaining to the rule, feel free to ask. But the rule is in effect and will continue to be.

Thanks.

[Stooge]

Didn't you guys kill your relationship with Bamco when you told PTD to go fuck itself?

I just noticed this post and wanted to address it. At no time did we tell Namco or its PTD site to "fuck off". Far from it. I simply informed them that I could not manage two forums, two wikis, a full time job, a family, and a dozen other things I have in my life. I left it to Ilkar to handle the PTD forums. The fact that he disappeared from everywhere is not my fault.

So, just for the record, there is no animosity between myself and Namco.

In addition, we do not wish to nitpick what is a hack and what is not. It is far easier just to set the standard as Berto laid out and avoid the whole issue. The moderators are busy enough without trying to individually decide what does or does not fall under the hacking rule, unless we just blanket disallow it.

[KnightSolaire]

I agree with OP, true hacks or "exploits" are best left unexploited and best tidied up quickly by the DS mods.

[AM180]

I suddenly really, really, really want an Android...

[Aoineko13]

So do I. Can't explain why.