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your favorite weapon es #1, always win never die

Postby Juli » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:16 am

Now that everybody is off playing Dark Souls, I can safely update this thread without feeling too useful to anybody. I originally made it because tierwhores kept asking which weapon was best. The best weapon is always the one you feel most comfortable using, though. Then I made a tier list just to make sure nobody would ever ask what the best weapon was ever again. Worked out pretty well. It had a lot of stupid shit, though, and became out-dated. Here is the new-and-improved version of everything.

Guillotine Axe
This weapon has low range, but a decent mix of damage and speed. It also has its two-handed stunlock, which can deal huge damage even if your opponent switches out quickly. It lacks good approach attacks and has short range, which makes it difficult to get in on people. It lends itself to more of a bait-and-punish playstyle if you are revolving around the stunlock. The one-handed moveset is a wonky close-range bruiser type. It's pretty fast, and can jam most other weapons at close range. Its pressure is better than the two-handed moveset, but it's not great.

Guillotine's main challenge is getting in on your opponent. Once you do that, it can unleash a lot of damage before your opponent escapes.

Great Axe
The Great Axe makes a great defensive weapon, but also has excellent tools to deal with turtles. It cannot pressure well due to massive stamina consumption and slow recovery from attacks, however. It is reliant on good reads, but has massive damage potential if successful. Its roll R1 can punish lots of attacks, and GAxe's mix between hyper armor and high damage means it can trade with about any weapon.

Great Axe can be punished with rollstabs endlessly if you aren't careful with it, though, or if you make bad reads. It's a high risk/high reward weapon that relies heavily on good mind games to be at its best.

Winged Spear
The Winged Spear has fairly low damage, but has one of the best reaches in the game, and is one of only two weapons in the game that can shieldpoke. It is an excellent turtling weapon due to its high range and shieldpoking. Its one-handed R2 has massive range, and is quite fast, making it a good whiff punish. It has a good neutral game, with a fast, long-range poke. Its main weaknesses are its narrow hitbox and poor tracking making it miss often, and its lack of damage output requiring you to consistently win more exchanges than your opponent.

Mirdan Hammer
"Whoops, you're dead" sums up the Mirdan Hammer pretty well. Mirdan Hammer has good damage, good range, good tracking, random stunlocking that can kill through SC, and just about anything it does can be punished with a OHKO in almost any match-up. Mirdan Hammer has one of the best pokes in the game with its 2H R1, for the reasons I mentioned above, and because it can punish rolls well, leading to an excellent neutral game. Its approach is not particularly good, but its range is so good it hardly matters. Mirdan Hammer can keep enemies with shorter range out easily with a properly timed R1.

Mirdan's weakness lies in that every PvP'er you face will know that parries and rollstabs, both of which OHKO on virtually any weapon, is the best way to get at a Mirdan user. Because of this, you have to always be careful, and always hold back on unleashing the R1 spam. If you see an opening, don't hesitate to beat your opponent to a bloody pulp, but otherwise Mirdan is best suited to a reserved poking game.

Kilij
Stupid just got scary. The Kilij is a close-range bruiser weapon. There is virtually nothing that Kilij loses to at close range, and it has fast rolling and running attacks. If you land a rolling R1, you can just mash R1 to deal massive damage. It won't stunlock, but you'll usually land two or three hits at least, often one will knock your opponent out of a roll as they try to escape. It eats through shields like few weapons can and is nigh unparryable.

Like the Guillotine Axe, the Kilij relies on getting in on your opponent, and dishes out massive damage once it gets there.

Uchigatana
Its one-handed moveset is versatile. The R1 is a simple sweep, decent poke, decent damage. The running R1 works well as a whiff punish as well as an offensive pressure tool. The two-handed moveset is notable in that it has no standing bread-and-butter attack. Its R1 is unremarkable, and its R2 is arguably the worst attack in the game. Its best attacks are the rolling and running attacks, giving it a very unique feel.

The damage is very good, with both attacks being able to combo into a push > R1. The narrow hitboxes on the moveset make attacks hard to land, and the push combos won't work if you aren't spaced properly, however, making it difficult to land the Uchi's best damage.

Dual Katanas
Basically the one-handed Uchigatana moveset, except replace the R1 with L1, giving a very high-speed poke, one of the fastest in the game, and the pushlock allows for much higher damage output. Does not deal with good pressure well, but can punish whiffs easily and with a lot of damage. It's great at putting out its own pressure, but has a hard time dealing with turtles. It does best in a neutral game, but can handle defensive or offensive play as well.

Knight Sword
Its one-handed moveset is much like the Uchigatana's, but better, and its two-handed moveset is much like the Guillotine Axe's, but better. By switching between the movesets, you can get good neutral game pokes, offensives pressure, and roll punishing on the one-handed moveset, and good burst damage on the two-handed moveset. Without the two-handed moveset, the weapon lacks in damage, however, and the two-handed moveset, like the Guillotine Axe, lacks in approach, and is difficult to actually land hits with. The Knight Sword is at its strongest in a neutral game, but also has good pressure options.

Blueblood Sword
More or less identical to the Knight Sword, except in 2 major ways. It deals more damage, especially the one-handed moveset increases in damage output, and it is completely dependent on Light Weapon for that good damage. Basically, this means you'll have to play it more offensively. Once your buff runs out, you're basically using a Blessed Knight Sword without the health regen. Which is like taking the sugar coating off of a sugar coated piece of shit. If you find yourself using the knightsword aggressively a lot, though, consider switching to BBS. Kill fast, and get good at re-enchanting for when you can't kill fast.

Claymore
A very strong zoning weapon. Up there with spear in terms of range, and has hands-down the best roll-punishing in the game. It's very difficult to get anywhere near a Claymore user, and it's very difficult to do anything to a Claymore user without getting near him. Its damage is also great, and it has solid cross-up for dealing with people looking to use shields as a free pass in to close range. The Claymore's can poke away at enemies from a safe distance, and stop them from ever getting into an unsafe distance. It can also pushlock at close range for anywhere between ~1.1k and ~2k damage with curse weapon active. It's a very spacing dependent combo, however, so you often won't be able to hit with all of it.

The Claymore gets jammed by virtually every weapon once at close range, though, so letting somebody through your defenses can cost you a lot. Also, predictable Claymores are some of the easiest weapons in the game to rollstab and blind parry.

Northern Regalia
Its moveset is identical to the Claymore's, but its range is much less, it deals less damage than a cursed Claymore, more than an unenchanted one, and has no stat scaling. All this adds up to a very different weapon. Northern Regalia turns every enchantable weapon into the BBS, because it gains a strong advantage once an opponent's buff runs out, being unenchantable itself. It has good damage, and its backstabs are the best unenchanted in the game, other than fatal weapons. Its lower range means it lacks in the zoning power of Claymore, but it can still punish rolls quite well, and more than makes up for it in other ways. Also, the lack of stat scaling allows you to pump massive amounts of stats into vitality.

Dragon Bone Smasher
The Dragon Bone Smasher is similar to the Great Axe in that it is a great defensive weapon that depends on good reads to deal damage. DBS is, however, a very momentous weapon. Almost every attack it has causes knockdown, and the DBS has among the best oki in the game. This allows you to chain knockdowns over and over until your opponent is dead if you read him right. With the highest pure physical attack rating in the game, it won't take many hits.

It is, however, very slow, and it's hard to land a hit with it. It also has trouble with weapons that get close to it without having especially good zoning capabilities due to being so slow. If you can predict how your opponent is going to approach you, though, the reward is potentially huge.

Estoc
The most versatile weapon in the game. Excellent turtling weapon due to its shieldpoke, excellent pressure due to its low stamina requirement, fast attacks, and excellent rolling attack. Its damage is a bit lacking, but it has some of the strongest backstabs in the game to make up for it.

TIER LIST TIME

S-tier: S-toc, Northern Regalia
A-tier: Dragon Bone Smasher, Claymore, Dual Katanas, Mirdan Hammer, Great Axe
B-tier: Kilij, Uchigatana, Winged Spear, Knight Sword, Blueblood Sword
C-tier: Guillotine Axe
So Bad They Weren't Mentioned Tier: Claw, Secret Dagger, Mages
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby fresh » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:22 am

Saturday-Saint wrote:You should not choose a weapon because it is powerful, but instead because it fits your play-style. Experience with a weapon is the best way to learn if it fits, but since nobody wants to spend a month with every weapon in the game before making an informed decision, I've decided to create a list of the weapons and what play-styles they fit well. Keep in mind that any weapon can fit with any play-style, and this list is just my opinion on what play-styles work best on a given weapon. It also assumes that you're trying to play the weapon well. That means I'm not going to say that the DBS is an aggressive weapon because you just spam running R1 with it. I'm not going to say that Mirdan Hammer is weapon for boring people to use because you just mash R1 with it. And I'm definitely not going to say that Estoc is only good for you if you're a stealth invader.

Also, as an added bonus, I'm going to add my opinions on what the best weapons in the game are at the end, if only to stop people from making a new thread every other week asking what is the best weapon ever.

- Great Axe -
The Great Axe is a weapon that is about timing and spacing more than anything else. It has short range and it's slow. In addition, its damage can change depending on what part of the weapon you hit them with, and getting them right in GAxe's sweet-spot allows you to stunlock. It's also a very reactionary weapon due to it's hyperarmor, and lack of chasing power. If you like the reward of pulling off a perfectly placed hit leading into a combo, and don't mind letting your opponent set the pace of the fight, GAxe is a good weapon for you.

- Crescent Axe/Meatcleaver -
These weapons are similar to the Great Axe, but have much longer range. The Crescent Axe sacrifices damage, while the Meatcleaver requires its own build. If you don't mind losing damage and adding emphasis to spacing and scoring the 1-2-3 stunlock, CAxe could be a better choice for you than GAxe, though I don't suggest it on faith builds. If you want to keep the GAxe's insane damage, and don't mind specialization and losing some vitality, pick the Meatcleaver.

- Mirdan Hammer/War Scythe -
As a pole user, you'll probably want patience more than anything else. The best pole users I've fought (not many, TBH) create stale-mate situations that usually go on until somebody gets too aggressive. You need to know when to go for the stunlock, and when not to. You also have to be good at mixing things up. Poles #1 weakness is their predictability. This is why they're so infamous for being roll-BS'd and parried. Be unpredictable, be patient, and don't spam R1 unless you know you'll catch them with the stunlock. That being said, poles are not for everybody. Most experienced players shun them for their ability to kill 95% of Demon's Souls players without thinking, and their lack of versatility.

- Kilij -
Right off the bat, I'll tell you that the Kilij is one of, if not THE most aggressive weapons in the game. It's fast, it's short-ranged, and it demands that you rush down and get right in your enemy's face. Its short range is its biggest weakness, but it's got such great approaches that it hardly matters. Its running R1 leads into a combo (running R1->R2->R1) that can crack a host's SC, and sometimes kill through SC in phantom vs. phantom. Its rolling R1 is insanely fast. On top of this, Kilij deals nice damage, outclassing other weapons with similar range/speed (Estoc, Knight Sword).

- Claymore -
The Claymore is a passive-aggressive weapon. If I had to compare it to a fighting-game archetype, it would be the zoner. The Claymore is all about controlling space, and punishing your opponent for entering the Claymorezone. With that in mind, the Claymore lacks chasing power, and if you're fighting against a host, killing power (The BS can 1-shot in phantom vs. phantom, not so against a host). If your opponent is playing defensively, you have to keep pressure up. Punish their rolls, stay close, and don't let them grass. Claymore also can't combo. At all. Its only combo, a pushlock, is difficult to initiate, difficult to time, and impossible to keep going for more than two or three hits (though 2-3 hits with a cursed claymore might be all you need).

- Katana -
The Katana has great harassing power with its 1-handed moveset, and great finishing power with its two-handed moveset. 1-handed it has a strong mix of speed, reach, and damage. 2-handed it has even more damage. Either stance can be used exclusively, but the Katana is strongest when you mix between two-handed and one-handed. In the end, it's hard to classify katana's play-style. It can honestly fit any play-style pretty well.

- 2kat -
The infamous dual katanas combine the harassment and finishing power of the katana's different stances into one. And it doesn't lose much in the process. The first thing I should say is that Dual Katanas are not the Blue Blood Sword. They do not revolve around landing a stunlock. The pushlock isn't very powerful compared to some stunlocks, and good players will punish your running R1 if you spam it. Your pushlock is for finishing people off and punishing grass/sloppy re-buffing. Using dual katanas is about being fast and out-maneuvering your opponent. It's effectively a mix between kilij and claymore in playstyle. You create your zone around you with L1/R1, but unlike the claymore, you can easily set the pace of the fight and stay aggressive. Use dual katanas if you like being aggressive, but don't like the full-on rushdown of the Kilij. Also use dual katanas if you like winning a lot. Carry grindstone.

- Estoc -
The Estoc is Kilij's pointy cousin. It's a bit more reserved, acting as a sort of a hit-and-run weapon when two-handed, and one-handed it goes into total turtle mode for shield-poking. The Estoc wants to get in, hit somebody as many times as it can without getting hit itself. The Estoc does NOT want to trade blows. The low damage on the Estoc means that it loses just about any trade in the game. Estoc is about being nimble, avoiding enemy attacks, and sneaking in your own.

- Straight Swords -
The king of stunlocks. 2H R1 is the most reliable stunlocking attack in the game, trumping even pole weapons. While it is not necessary to do so, you can have your entire game revolve around landing a stunlock with straight swords. However, if you do, you are overlooking its one-handed moveset. One-handed, Straight Swords have some of the best harassing power in the game. Sword&Board is a rewarding style that revolves around keeping up the pressure and dealing chip damage when you can, while two-handing is all about landing the stunlock and making it count. Both are fun, yet both are very different. One kills slowly, the other in seconds.

- Guillotine Axe -
Guillotine Axe shares Straight Sword's stunlock, with one important change: Sweetspot damage. The Guillotine Axe's stunlock hits much harder, to put it simply. More than the 2 points of extra base damage would make it seem. Because of this, the Guillotine Axe is even more focused around landing the stunlock, and less focused on the one-handed moveset. If you really like the reward of pulling off a stunlock, you might want to consider taking this over a Knight Sword.

- Greatsword/Dogbone -
The Extra Large Swords are about landing one hit and making it count. Whether you're cursing your DBS and one-shotting people left and right, or ground comboing poor souls with your Blessed Greatsword, these weapons are hard to land a hit with, but when you do, it pays off. While they are very powerful weapons, they are also hard to learn to use properly (Read: not spamming running R1). If you want a challenge that always pushes you to perform your best, you should check these guys out.

If somebody else wants to do spears/daggers/fists, I'd be much obliged. Also, if you have any thoughts on the examples already up here, let me know.

And, as promised, here's my weapon tier-list:

S-Tier
Dexterity: Dual Katanas
Strength: Great Axe, Dragon Bone Smasher
Faith: Great Axe

A-Tier
Dexterity: Estoc, Kilij+
Strength: Claymore, Crescent Axe
Faith: Claymore, Greatsword+
Miscellaneous: Meatcleaver, Northern Regalia, Dual Makotos

B-Tier
Dexterity: Katana, Flamberge+, War Scythe, Spiked Shield, Warpick
Strength: Mirdan Hammer, Knight Sword
Faith: Guillotine Axe, Mirdan Hammer
Miscellaneous: Blue Blood Sword+, LW Fist w/ off-hand Katana

C-Tier
Dexterity: Winged Spear+, Broadsword
Strentgh: Guillotine Axe+
Faith: Knight Sword, Crescent Axe+


NOTES ON TIER-LIST:
Weapons with a + next to them are slightly better than other weapons in their respective tiers. E.G., Kilij is in A+ tier, compared to Estoc which is simply in A tier.

If a weapon is listed here, it is one that I consider viable. Just because a weapon is listed as being C-tier does not mean I think it sucks. It is just harder to win with.

If a weapon is not listed in this tier-list, it is either because I do not consider it to be viable (Large Sword of Searching, for example) or because it is outclassed by another weapon that is strictly better (Falchion, for example, is just a poor-man's Kilij).

:gp: this is well presented good job! this will help the many out there that are presenting these questions :)
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby TheJoker » Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:04 am

- Daggers - (from my experience)

Kind of useless because the main purpose is to backstab, and the backstabs are outdamaged by the Estoc, but the daggers separate moveset could give it some viable purpose. A sharp Secret Dagger does fair damage with its quick moves and combos, and the backstabs are pretty good too. But (as was mentioned) the only thing you may want a dagger for is the different moveset in comparison to a rapier.
    *dagger pushlock is also quicker than a katana push, in case that is of use
I would say daggers belong in the C-tier because they have no real purpose besides a slightly different moveset that sacrifices important damage.

In regards to Estoc, a cursed sharp estoc does fair damage. Combined with phantom range, the ability to turtle, and fair poking speed, its a weapon to be watched.
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby Century » Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:13 am

dagger kat is a nice combo, but sacrifices the approaching power you have on the mainhand kat, meaning the stamina you gain from dagger pushes over kat pushes really isnt important.
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby Jack Frost » Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:46 am

Great thread Saturday-Saint, and very informative.
I just hope people read this before going off and blindly making threads asking about 'the best' weapons.
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby ggdoom » Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:55 pm

S-Tier
Dexterity: Dual Katanas
Strength: Great Axe, Dragon Bone Smasher
Faith: Great Axe

A-Tier
Dexterity: Estoc, Kilij+
Strength: Claymore, Crescent Axe
Faith: Claymore, Greatsword+
Miscellaneous: Meatcleaver, Northern Regalia, Dual Makotos

B-Tier
Dexterity: Katana, Flamberge+, War Scythe, Spiked Shield, Warpick
Strength: Mirdan Hammer, Knight Sword
Faith: Guillotine Axe, Mirdan Hammer
Miscellaneous: Blue Blood Sword+, LW Fist w/ off-hand Katana

C-Tier
Dexterity: Winged Spear+, Broadsword
Strentgh: Guillotine Axe+
Faith: Knight Sword, Crescent Axe+

Hurr durr I will make my own tier list and state it as a fact...

Other than that it´s fine.
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby musicismath » Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:03 pm

Saint: :gp: very nice. This should be included in the collaborative guide/EWGF's update if not already.

Two questions:

Why no C. Axe for Faith?

Is the killij combo mentioned 1 handed?
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby Juli » Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:56 pm

ggdoom wrote:Hurr durr I will make my own tier list and state it as a fact...

Other than that it´s fine.


I wrote:Also, as an added bonus, I'm going to add my opinions on what the best weapons in the game are at the end


When I post the list elsewhere, I always label it as "Demon's Souls SL 120 PvP Weapon Tier List (READ: Opinions)."

I'm not stating any of that as a fact, though it's easy to miss if you don't read the intro. Understandable, since it is a huge post.

@music: CAxe is there for faith. I have it in C+ tier. The kilij combo is 2-handed. I've never tried it 1-handed, but I don't think it works.
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby Silim » Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:07 pm

:gp: really helpfull, even for new players like me. I'm using a Strength build and straight sword (Crushing Knight's Sword) and had some good success with it already, more than I had with my Great Axe. I'm simply more of a player who likes to keep pressure up by quick one-handed combos, interrupting Grass-eating, and so on. Combined with a huge shield like Purple Flame Shield, I've had a real good time pounding Invaders into the ground and laughing.

Maybe you should add... Bows. Yes, seems strange, but I killed 3 Invaders yesterday by dishing out my bow when they rolled away to eat grass instead of following, and shooting them with 2 quick arrows of my Lava Bow. True, they didn't use New Moon Grass (not at max HP after eating it), but it's still great to increase pressure even more. You have to sacrifice quite some points into Dexterity for a Lava Bow as a strength build, or even more into Strength as a Dexterity build - but it's well worth it.
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby TheJoker » Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:31 pm

Silim wrote:You have to sacrifice quite some points into Dexterity for a Lava Bow as a strength build, or even more into Strength as a Dexterity build - but it's well worth it.

actually with a dex build its more of an advantage because you really dont need to add any extra points. to wield an uchi any dex build usually has 18 str, and since bows receive the 1.5 bonus to str when 2 handed (which is required...lol), you dont need any more than 17 str to use a sticky long bow, which has the highest str requirement, IIRC.

also, i've been experimenting with bows exclusively as a main weapon lately (PvP) so I can give you some tips saint if you decide to add it in here.
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby Silim » Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:54 pm

TheJoker wrote:
Silim wrote:You have to sacrifice quite some points into Dexterity for a Lava Bow as a strength build, or even more into Strength as a Dexterity build - but it's well worth it.

actually with a dex build its more of an advantage because you really dont need to add any extra points. to wield an uchi any dex build usually has 18 str, and since bows receive the 1.5 bonus to str when 2 handed (which is required...lol), you dont need any more than 17 str to use a sticky long bow, which has the highest str requirement, IIRC.

also, i've been experimenting with bows exclusively as a main weapon lately (PvP) so I can give you some tips saint if you decide to add it in here.

*facepalm* I completely forgot about the fact you get the 1.5 bonus, silly me... I met it either one handed or two handed, so I couldn't notice. xD Kinda sad this doesn't apply for Dexterity, but I guess it would make Quality builds way to powerful if it did.
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby TheJoker » Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:02 pm

yea, but thats why dex bonuses scale slightly better than str bonuses.
the advantage of a good quality build is that you can *technically* have 50 in both str and dex when 2 handing a quality weapon. the disadvantage is a higher SL or sacrificed stats. :|

guess quality weapons dont get incorporated into the tier list...
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby LostMyHeadache » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:08 pm

Saint, this is one of the best thought out and most well presented posts that I have seen in a LONG time.

Excellent work, my friend.
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby overtoast » Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:19 pm

:gp: :gp:
Would be nice to get a sticky for this if you ask me.
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby musicismath » Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:25 am

Saturday-Saint wrote:@music: CAxe is there for faith. I have it in C+ tier.


You also wrote that you wouldn't suggest CAxe for faith over GAxe (in the CAxe/MC section). That's what I was trying to get at...
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby Juli » Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:26 pm

IMO, the damage on the Blessed CAxe is too low for the moveset.
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby toasTBacon » Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:59 pm

TheJoker wrote:actually with a dex build its more of an advantage because you really dont need to add any extra points. to wield an uchi any dex build usually has 18 str, and since bows receive the 1.5 bonus to str when 2 handed (which is required...lol), you dont need any more than 17 str to use a sticky long bow, which has the highest str requirement, IIRC.

also, i've been experimenting with bows exclusively as a main weapon lately (PvP) so I can give you some tips saint if you decide to add it in here.


I've also been using a bow lately and have had pretty good success with it. The biggest problem is that it cannot handle Estoc/Spear + Shields at all. All they have to do is walk up and shield poke you unless you switch weapons since you cant backstab or easily break guard. Most weapons can handle others if played right but a Bow cannot take on a turtle poker at all, and thats why I wouldn't put it into a tier.
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby EWGF » Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:38 pm

I've annihilated some of the best players with a bow, and if they grass excessively, or use a shield quite a bit you're totally screwed. However bow has this incredible move nobody knows about:

- Cancelling draw animation with a weapon switch.

This allows you to really suck people in to a BS attempt. Most people are trained to roll through all projectiles except for FBs, this means a quick weapon switch will really give you a free BS as they roll on approach (and often a free stun break if they somehow tag you). Generally, when using a bow since you can cancel your draws at any time with a roll it's an incredibly evasive weapon, and hard to pin down those that use it... people become more aggressive, and less likely of suspecting such an attack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Sl7qx6Eysc

This video is when I was 1st sort of puzzling it out, but at the end I manage to pull one off against Mighty TMR.
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby Dragunov » Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:55 pm

That was amazing and very informative at the same time
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Postby TYP » Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:52 pm

I have to admit I've never tried a bow in PVP. This question may be silly, but do you use lock-on or zoom?
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby dg6479 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:21 am

I actually haven't been on this forum site too much, but reading what alot of players are discussing, there are alot of great points being made.
Regarding weaponry, I have realized when I just started playing PVP, how incredibly different it is from PVE(in my opinion)
While I would say I am quite good at PVE, and admit I've spend numerous hours shelled out in my PVE character leveling up to 376:), it was worth it because I gained an inkling of every environment, every enemy in the game, where they are located, etc...
Going back to PVE Vs. PVP, for me, once I got used to not using any armor iin PVe, I quickly learned not to go without it in PVP. When playing against an invading BP, is essential when it comes to damage intake.
I have been accustomed to leaving any armor back with good ol' Thomas in the Nexus:) when journeying out in my DS adventures.
In dealing with my weapons, because I'm a strong melee Fatih build, and am used to using mainly all Blessed weapons, I learned pretty fast, sometimes using a +5 blessed against san invader with strong armor may be headed towards a very short fight(me being the loser):)
Hence, in being fairly junior to the PVP world, what I've concluded, if invaded, and able to gain a close look at what armor and weapons the BP has, I can access the best weapon I have in my stock I believe will most likely do the most damage.
That's the beauty of DS when it comes to weapons. There really is no definitive "best weapons" per seI. DS is in a way, such a complex game, unique from all the rest, which makes it one of the most methodical, innovative games out there.
I have never seen so many different solutions/strategies you can take when playing PVP and PVE for that matter.
It reminds me in a way of Chess.
When it comes to strategy versus what some deem as a "noobie weapons choice" or "cheating" I have to say I used to get annoyed when I would lose, but in thinking it over, I can't. I know that a game like this provides everyone a chance to strategize, use any approach they want in accomplishing their goals. Hence, although this is going away from the subject of weapons, just I wanted to mention this since seeing alot of players being upset about losing against a player using Acid Cloud, or Scraping Spear. If you choose to play PVP vs. PVE you are not in control, if you choose to play a level not being in soul form and haven't completed it yet, that you may very likely be invaded. that BP may take out one of those spells/spears, and one of the reasons I have come to peach with myself in not getting angry over it but rather taking it in stride. If you realize you will learn and gain experience by continously having an open mind that alot of times you are not going to come out necessarily the winner, you will gain experience by those losts as much as the wins you achieve:)
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Postby Thy Nazgul2 » Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:00 pm

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Postby Xaimn » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:15 pm

Saturday, I think what you have written here has been quite enlightening :gp: , I surely wish more players in the game thought this way when it comes to choosing your weapons and overall build. Instead of just going out, picking the N. Regalia and beefing you Vit to 99, killing people within 2-3 hits, it's just not fun for anyone else. This could be said for all games in general, it should always just be about having fun, and not having such a hardcore attitude towards things. Although I think I've strayed away from the main topic, I think everyone will know what I mean, haha. :D
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Postby Paladin_Sigma » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:41 am

Well I play a faith build, and i already know what weapon that fits my play style, however I have been trying to branch out with other weapons to mix it up in pvp and this has really helped me figure out how to play Gaxe, KS, Gsword, claymore and guillotine axe. Thanx awesome post
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby hoof_hearted4 » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:00 am

well came here on because i wans going to post (yet another) question asking if northern regalia would be a better choice then dragon claymore. as they both have the same move sets and are very similar in stats needed and everything i was just curious as to which would be better in PvP.

also note ive never PvPed at 120 so im just curious as to which weapon would be better. is the fire damage better then the magic damage when it comes to PvP as in do people tend to be less resistant to it? or would NR be the better choice because it does more damage (i think)

neither can be buffed or anything so thats not in debate. i ask because they are so similar that i just dont know which would be better in a PvP world

thanks for your help
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby Morrigan » Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:19 am

Northern Regalia is much, much stronger, hands down. Assuming pure character tendency of course.
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Postby hydropottimus » Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:25 am

Dragon weapons are good at lower levels but will be less effective in the 120 range.
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby hoof_hearted4 » Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:50 pm

Morrigan wrote:Northern Regalia is much, much stronger, hands down. Assuming pure character tendency of course.


ok thank you

normally i would go dragon anyways since i like them and i only do PvE, but im thinking about finally giving PvP a chance so i was curious of the better weapon choice

again thanks :)
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby PewPewImaGun » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:20 am

Good thread. I'm a big fan of the Northern Regalia and use it all the time. I used the Blue Blood Sword for a while because the knockback is nice but when a duel is lagging as they often do it's too easy for most of your attacks to miss. At least with the NR if I can land one solid shot at a time I can knock out at minimum 50% of their HP. I just have to be more defensively balanced to make up for the slower attack speed.
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Re: Stop Asking Which Weapon is 'The Best'

Postby sonbakler » Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:13 am

Here's my best weapon,
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Isn't it cool?
Weapons like pepper spray, brass knuckles etc. is important to protect ourselves in times of danger,
But always remember the best weapon is prayer.
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